Discussion Regarding the Biblical Perspective of Eating Meat, and Hunting

From the following discussion: http://www.facebook.com/leonardooh?v=feed&story_fbid=224860888955

A biblical perspective (personal exegesis and scriptures from about):

Humans are made in the image of God, animals are not (Gen 1:26). God commands man to rule over the earth, and to rule over the animals (1:28). The Hebrew makes the comment ‘to subdue’, (kabash), or to bring under subjection (which fits the role of responsible hunters. Breath means life. Surely animals are alive, but to be made in the image and likeness of God is vastly different.

“Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.” (John 3:4). Animals are creatures incapable of making moral decisions. The Law was given to humans. Humans are capable of making moral ethical creative and intellectual decisions. Animals function instinctual.

Jesus came to save the souls of man, not animals.

After the flood, God said the following: “Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.” (Genesis 9:3). Here is a clear biblical permission from God to eat animals. NOT some fanatical abuse and manipulation of scripture…

Later in Leviticus, God mentions the following regarding animals sacrifices: “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When any of you brings an offering to the LORD, bring as your offering an animal from either the herd or the flock.'” (Leviticus 1:2, NIV).

While discussing offering, it also states the following: “When anyone presents a grain offering as a gift to the Lord, his gift must consist of fine flour. He is to pour olive oil on it, put frankincense to it, and bring it to Aaron’s sons and priests.” (Lev 2:1-2).

In Exodus 20:13, God places a prohibition on murdering men. He DOES NOT place a prohibition on the killing of animals. Christ died to save humans as well, not animals. If killing animals consisted of some sin, he would not have commanded the israelites to sacrifice them, and he would have revealed it in scripture.

There will be animals in the new earth (Isaiah 65:25, Rev 19:14), but this in no ways suggests or provides evidence that animals have souls and they are eternal. Rather it suggests as God created this earth with creatures, so will he do it in the New Earth.

“Man’s concepts of spiritual values, his recognition of morals and his universal acknowledgment that he is responsible for his own behavior set him far apart from the animal world. That is to say, they have no immortal soul, as the following point documents. The spirit of man returns to God who gave it when one dies (Eccl. 12:7). Such is not said of the animal! Adam is called the son of God in Luke 3:38, obviously by creation. What animal is called the son of God or offspring of God?” (Gary Anderson)

In Acts 10, God tells Peter in a dream on a rooftop “In it were all the four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, and the birds of the sky. Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat!…”What God has made clean, you must not call common.” (Acts 10:12-15).

In addition, Paul provides the following clarification regarding kosher and dietary laws, which provides some clarification. “One person believes he may eat anything, but one who is weak eats only vegetables. One who eats must not look down on one who does not eat…” (Romans 14).

Ecc. 3:19-21 is also not some clear claim disregarding the afterlife, as it would not fit within the themes of the scripture regarding eternal judgment. Not is it some absolute statement about the equality of man. If anything, this reads to be a rejection of materialistic notions of the afterlife as found in neighboring Egyptian paganism (see “Harpers Songs”). “Death has been swallowed up in victory. O Death, where is your victory. O Death, where is your sting.” (1 Cor 15:55). It’s clearn scripture speaks of an afterlife, and Ecc seems more at combating egyptian materialistic afterlife than the spiritual and new earth idea of Christianity.

RECAP:
1) We’re created in the image and likeness of God, animals are not. This is essential.
2) We have dominion and literal rule over animals (a charge of stewardship).
3) The law pertains to us, and Jesus came to save us, not animals.
4) God provides permission to eat animals. ‘Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything’.
5) The sacrificial system includes grain, oil, and frankincense (by Miguel’s argument, these would also have souls).
6) God places no prohibition on killing animals.
7) In a vision, Peter is told by God to eat of any animal, as none are unclean. Although a charge to bring the Gentiles into the church, the revelation is still prominent.
8) Jesus never spoke of the killing and consumption of animals as sin, and instead served fish to the people.
9) Paul provides an insight on the topic, and a call not to judge those who consume a diet different than yours.

This is a biblical presentation. Not a manipulation. I did this to show you how shameful it can be to claim someone manipulates scripture, without having or presenting some clarification (biblicaly grounded), on the charge. It is simply rude judgment, which Paul comments against in Romans 14. If anything, you need to only Genesis 9:3 as a response to your concerns

You still need to respond to my two questions mentioned earlier.

PS: Also, you must understand that hunters and fisherman have ethical system (catch and release, etc) that aid, and not harm, ecological systems. They consume the catch. They also ‘subdue’ animals in the sense of controlling populations. Otherwise, we would experience animal overpopulation (see the various bunny crises in Europe), disease outbreaks, sickness, and ecological turmoil. Meat is used to feed a family, as well as control populations (which is controlled through tag and hunting/fishing requirements). They play an important role, and provide the primary population control and conservation funds. This is not some justification for poaching, or mass useless killing. That’s simply not what hunters and fisherman do. Join NCangler.com or some other hunting and fishing community, or even go hunting and fishing with some enthusiast, and you will likely find no greater community with genuine concerns and love for nature.

God’s Blessings.

For in depth info regarding the status of the soul and animals, please feel free to refer to http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/448.

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