SB1070: Thoughts, Discussions, and More

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A Question a Friend had regarding the Bill, which is wrongly all over the mainstream media:
Lenny, does this law make it legal for a cop to ask whomever he or she wants, under the threat of penalty, for ID because the cop suspects that person to be an illegal immigrant? Is anyone standing on the street or sitting on a bench now required to show ID to any cop at any time who asks that person for ID because that cop suspects that person to be an illegal immigrant?
The short answer: No.

The law seems quite clear, in its written language, that provisions are in place to prevent such a thing. A cop cannot simply walk up to you and harass you unless there is reasonable grounds to do so (expired tag, speeding, fleeing the scene of a crime, visible drugs, visible weaponry, etc).

In other words, if a cop were just walking around, and saw some dark-skinned hispanic sitting on a bench, according to SB1070, he couldn’t simply walk up and ask the man for his papers.

This would deny the ‘reasonable’ word usage in the language of the bill.

Reasonable would be more along these lines: A man is pulled over and as standard procedure calls for, is asked for his license. He is unable to produce one, and thus this warrants reasonable suspect to pursue, if need be, further certification of legal residency status. The man is discovered to be an illegal alien, and the state officials then detain the man and channel him over to federal immigration officials.

Again, although some media outlets and talking heads make it seem like what you mentioned, it’s hardly that. All it really does is allow the states to enforce and add additional penalties to federal immigration laws already in place. I encourage you to review the Az Senate’s fact sheet on the bill: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm

[Note points 1 (reasonable), 34.]

My initial thoughts on the topic:
It shouldn’t matter if they’re illegal. I think they should be allowed to come to the U.S. if they risk themselves to make it across we should treat them fairly.” (My friends comment on the subject. My response follows).

Ah yes, let’s apply this. After all, over 1/3 of the population in the world live in poverty. A child dies every seven seconds from hunger. We should let anyone, from any country, at any time, come to the US. Right?… See More

Of course not! It’s absolutely impractical! You think individuals south of the border are the only ones who should come here? Everyone dreams of coming to the united states. However most have to wait for the process like everyone else. What gives a certain group privilege because they’re merely geographically closer?

There are two fundamental errors in your assessment:

(1) Deciding who to award citizenry is foundational to organizing a society. You don’t allow anyone to simply claim they have a right to it. This would make being a nation impossible. In the name of fairness, you cannot privilege one specific group (in this case, Mexicans). There are BILLIONS who want to come to this country! There is a system for fairness.
(2) Allowing anyone to come to the country overloads the system. Our current taxpayers couldn’t possibly pay all the various social benefits for an addition billion illegals. It’s fiscally inconceivable
(3) It’s an extreme danger to national security. Guess what group commits the greatest degree of gang violence and crimes in border states? Illegals. There is no way to protect our citizenry from terrorist, as your policy has no way to filter them out. Open borders means open access, which means national security (imagine all those terrorist rooting for your policy!).
(4) Again, we are a country of law. To award someone our HIGHEST HONOR (citizenry) because they break the law to come into this country, is insane. You only encourage others to enter as well, thus endangering (1) (2) and (3).

In summary, you are being clearly unfair to the billions of others who want the american dream, you’re threatening our economic and social services system, you’re endangering national security, and you’re encouraging illegal behavior. That spells out to bad policy, period!

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