Leonard Goenaga Another wild statistic is found in R.S. Hogg, “Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men,” International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997) On average, male homosexuals die a premature death by up to twenty years. Insane.
Individual I don’t get it. What does “On average, … up to twenty years” mean?
Leonard Goenaga What is there not to get? I believe the quotation is rather straightforward regarding a summary of Hogg’s work.
It’s pretty thoroughly supported by recent research from a range of sources of clear impartiality (I’m not talking about Westboro ‘Baptist’ Church’s website, but a host of medical, psychological, and sociological journals, examples being Archives of General Psychiatry, American Journal of Public Health, and the International Journal of Epidemiology being but three) that homosexuals experience a high prevalence of physical and/or psychological problems (depression, suicide, etc), elevated risks for various sexually transmitted diseases (HIV-AIDS), higher levels of psychiatric illnesses, drug abuse, suicide, and on average can expect shorter life expectancies.
Now I simply state this to provide a shocking and painfully depressing summary of various research, not to point and say “Look at how icky the gays are!”
I could provide a huge list containing all the various, but given I’ve spent some academic time investigating this very subject, I would ask you simply take my word on its integrity and its experience.
Individual Sorry, but “on average” should never be followed by “up to”. It is not meaningful. It is straightforward silliness. (Prove me wrong by telling me what “On average, up to twenty years” means).
Eric, I saw you post a link to a *study* that cherry-picked obituaries to conclude that gays have a life expectancy of ??? years. Your credibility on presenting scientifically meaningful results in this area is shot.
“It’s pretty thoroughly supported by recent research from a range of sources of clear impartiality that homosexuals experience a high prevalence of physical and/or psychological problems (depression, suicide, etc)”
Is that so? Maybe the gay bashers have an impact.
“…elevated risks for various sexually transmitted diseases (HIV-AIDS), higher levels of psychiatric illnesses, drug abuse, suicide, and on average can expect shorter life expectancies.”
So you support gay marriage as a means to curb homosexual promiscuity to reduce the elevated risks for various sexually transmitted diseases?
” I would ask you simply take my word on its integrity and its experience.” I don’t know you well enough to take your word on it (no offense intended).
“And this is all understandable given additional research in the tremendous number of sexual partners homosexuals tend to have on average (the numbers are wildly shocking as well).”
So you support gay marriage as a means to curb homosexual promiscuity?
Eric, I can’t help it – what is a gay literature phase? Reading Wilde?
Let’s change gears. If some new disease hit the straight community because heterosexual intercourse led to a higher risk of transmission, would you argue that it was less bad to be gay?
Leonard Goenaga ”So you support gay marriage as a means to curb homosexual promiscuity to reduce the elevated risks for various sexually transmitted diseases?”
…Seriously? See bottom.
“I don’t know you well enough to take your word on it (no offense intended).”
Understood, although since I have given you no reason not to take my word for it, I would have thought you would extend such civility. Apparently not. If I were to provide the list of sources would you then accept the validity of the research and acknowledge such, or would I be wasting my time? I already provided three. However, I’ll simply provide a small sample of some exhibiting widely recognized authority. Arguably the most comprehensive study to date on the high correlation between homosexual behavior and mental illnesses is found in the Archives of General Psychiatry. In the research it compared prevalence rates between heterosexuals and homosexuals regarding psychiatric disorders.
It concluded that homosexuals (gays & lesbians) have significantly high rates of suicide, alcohol abuse, substance/drug abuse, and psychiatric illnesses.
You can pursue the studies yourself.
SOURCES: D.M. Fergusson, L. J. Horwood and A. L. Beautrais, “Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems?” pp. 876-80; R. Herrell et al., “Sexual Orientation and Suicidality: A Co-Twin Control Study in Adult Men,” Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-74; Theo G.M. Sandfort et al., “Same-Sex Sexual Behavior and Psychiatric Disorders,” Archives of General Psychiatry 58 (2001): 85-91.
But don’t listen to me. Listen to Researcher Michael Bailey, who is EXTREMELY sympathetic to gay causes (and published the famous “gay-twin studies”):
“These studies contain arguably the best published data on the association between homosexuality and psychopathology, and both converge on the same unhappy conclusion: homosexual people are at substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression, and anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence … The strength of the new studies is their degree of control.”
SOURCE: J. M. Bailey, “Commentary: Homosexuals and Mental Illness,” Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 876-80.
“So you support gay marriage as a means to curb homosexual promiscuity?”
Major British medical journal regarding homosexual relations in the Netherlands (a place known for containing one of the most gay-friendly cultures) would shed some light on this. Whereas same-sex marriage is legal, the magazine [journal] found that homosexuals had tremendous difficulty living by monogamous and committed values. On average they lasted about 1.5 years. Study also found that gay men in steady relationships had, on average, 8 partners a year (outside their ‘steady’ relationship partner).
SOURCE: Maria Xiridou, “The Contributions of Steady and Casual Partnerships to the Incidence of HIV Infection Among Homosexual Men in Amsterdam,” AIDS 17 (2003): 1029-38.
Compare this to heterosexuals: 67% 1st marriages last 10 years, more than 3/4 heterosexual married couples report being faithful to their vows.
With that I conclude my contributions. I do not believe you exhibit an attitude conducive to discussion (evident by the baiting). However I do hope you come to accept the cited sources, as well as the argued summary of research on the subject, and as they represent nothing bizarre or unknown in the field.